Comments on: Dueling Visions http://www.robsingleton.com/2007/03/24/duelling-visions/ relevance, church, postmodern, cutting edge pastors, Perry Noble, Mark Driscoll, Steven Furtick, Christian, Southbrook Thu, 01 Oct 2009 20:30:57 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Steve http://www.robsingleton.com/2007/03/24/duelling-visions/comment-page-1/#comment-21 Steve Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:46:03 +0000 http://www.robsingleton.net/?p=126#comment-21 The more involved you become at SCC, the vision becomes clear. This isn't a spectator sport. God wants more than an hour a week. Serve. Join and participate in a small group. Tithe. Attend the non-prime services. Make sacrifices. Go to Wednesday nights (not just communion). God's plans for this church are amazing. Don't miss out! Love ya Rob! The more involved you become at SCC, the vision becomes clear. This isn’t a spectator sport. God wants more than an hour a week.

Serve. Join and participate in a small group. Tithe. Attend the non-prime services. Make sacrifices. Go to Wednesday nights (not just communion).

God’s plans for this church are amazing. Don’t miss out!

Love ya Rob!

]]> By: anonymous http://www.robsingleton.com/2007/03/24/duelling-visions/comment-page-1/#comment-20 anonymous Sun, 25 Mar 2007 14:54:47 +0000 http://www.robsingleton.net/?p=126#comment-20 i was doing a little math the other day because much dissention has come from the discussion of money. lets all think back to the series on giving last fall. lets remember how eager we were to obey. so.... back to my math. if we have 2000 income earners (heads of household, or 2 working parents, or whatever, but 2000 of them) that call southbrook home..... lets assume the average salary is $35,000 (probably a safe assumption based on where we live) and everyone (gasp) tithes for one weekend... the total would be $96,923..... raise the assumed average salary to $50,000 and the tithe becomes $138,461.... this would relieve alot of pressure from our leaders having to run start- up offerings, capital campaigns, etc. a little bit of sacrafice (thats a euphamism for obeidience) on our part week in and week out and we can watch 300 people being baptized at once this time next year. lets be a family on this one..... i was doing a little math the other day because much dissention has come from the discussion of money. lets all think back to the series on giving last fall. lets remember how eager we were to obey. so…. back to my math. if we have 2000 income earners (heads of household, or 2 working parents, or whatever, but 2000 of them) that call southbrook home….. lets assume the average salary is $35,000 (probably a safe assumption based on where we live) and everyone (gasp) tithes for one weekend… the total would be $96,923….. raise the assumed average salary to $50,000 and the tithe becomes $138,461…. this would relieve alot of pressure from our leaders having to run start- up offerings, capital campaigns, etc. a little bit of sacrafice (thats a euphamism for obeidience) on our part week in and week out and we can watch 300 people being baptized at once this time next year. lets be a family on this one…..

]]> By: B.A. http://www.robsingleton.com/2007/03/24/duelling-visions/comment-page-1/#comment-19 B.A. Sun, 25 Mar 2007 13:38:21 +0000 http://www.robsingleton.net/?p=126#comment-19 Rob, Keep right on preaching it. The ones who have an issue with the senior pastor being the sole source of vision are the ones who want to be the heads of the committees. Rick Warren talks about a successful business man who came to him and said "I want to be the head of the elder board. Rick told him, I'm sorry we don't do that. The man chose to go down the road to a little church where he could have his position. Many of the naysayers would rather be a big fish in a small pond than one of the movers where God is moving. When I first became an intern pastor my senior pastor at the time would always tell us , "If it is important to you to have the title of Pastor, then you are doing it for the wrong reason." In other words, if you aren't willing to do the work of God from the pews without the title, then you aren't doing it for God. This is true at all levels of the ministry, leadership in ministry doesn't mean stadning up on the stage, it means being the first one to charge into battle at the front of God's Army. Be the one who gives willingly to the point of scrifice of their time, resources, knowledge, talents, and skills. And remeber the glory is in Heaven. I do not admire you for the attacks you must withstand from all sides. You know full the vision and mission God has planted for this ministry and you do an awesome job of keeping the ministry moving. You aren't the warm fuzzy pastor that some prefer, you are a leader. You have surrounded yourself with others who are sold out on your vision and aren't afraid to tell those who want to pursue their own vision taht they might fit in abetter at another ministry that is more in line with their personal vision. I can't imagine trying to keep all the "churched" people we have happy while trying to motivate them to fulfill the vision to spread the Good news. Music is a prime example. If you push to be too contemporary and relevant then the "worshippers" get angry. Too many forget that true Worship is not the act of standing around singing the songs from 91.9FM, it is serving God, giving of yourself in ministry to the point of sacrifice. We strive to be relevent in the lives of believers and unbelievers alike, but the Sunday service is NOT to "feed" the believer. It is the door to our church for the unbeliever. Always keep the vision foremost. Pursue wholeheartedly the calling God has placed on your life. Proclaim the Vision and we will follow. Rob, Keep right on preaching it. The ones who have an issue with the senior pastor being the sole source of vision are the ones who want to be the heads of the committees. Rick Warren talks about a successful business man who came to him and said “I want to be the head of the elder board. Rick told him, I’m sorry we don’t do that. The man chose to go down the road to a little church where he could have his position. Many of the naysayers would rather be a big fish in a small pond than one of the movers where God is moving.

When I first became an intern pastor my senior pastor at the time would always tell us , “If it is important to you to have the title of Pastor, then you are doing it for the wrong reason.” In other words, if you aren’t willing to do the work of God from the pews without the title, then you aren’t doing it for God. This is true at all levels of the ministry, leadership in ministry doesn’t mean stadning up on the stage, it means being the first one to charge into battle at the front of God’s Army. Be the one who gives willingly to the point of scrifice of their time, resources, knowledge, talents, and skills. And remeber the glory is in Heaven.

I do not admire you for the attacks you must withstand from all sides. You know full the vision and mission God has planted for this ministry and you do an awesome job of keeping the ministry moving. You aren’t the warm fuzzy pastor that some prefer, you are a leader. You have surrounded yourself with others who are sold out on your vision and aren’t afraid to tell those who want to pursue their own vision taht they might fit in abetter at another ministry that is more in line with their personal vision.

I can’t imagine trying to keep all the “churched” people we have happy while trying to motivate them to fulfill the vision to spread the Good news. Music is a prime example. If you push to be too contemporary and relevant then the “worshippers” get angry. Too many forget that true Worship is not the act of standing around singing the songs from 91.9FM, it is serving God, giving of yourself in ministry to the point of sacrifice. We strive to be relevent in the lives of believers and unbelievers alike, but the Sunday service is NOT to “feed” the believer. It is the door to our church for the unbeliever.

Always keep the vision foremost. Pursue wholeheartedly the calling God has placed on your life. Proclaim the Vision and we will follow.

]]> By: Heather Hoag http://www.robsingleton.com/2007/03/24/duelling-visions/comment-page-1/#comment-15 Heather Hoag Sat, 24 Mar 2007 21:15:40 +0000 http://www.robsingleton.net/?p=126#comment-15 “God will test every senior pastor with people who have money. What will be revealed is whether the pastor is a prostitute or a prophet.” wow...that is a scarey thought. Glad i am not a sr pastor. Own the vision, boy! Just remember to tell me what it is from time to time...oh wait..you already do that. Keep running after God, Rob. I'll try to keep up. “God will test every senior pastor with people who have money. What will be revealed is whether the pastor is a prostitute or a prophet.”
wow…that is a scarey thought. Glad i am not a sr pastor.
Own the vision, boy! Just remember to tell me what it is from time to time…oh wait..you already do that.
Keep running after God, Rob. I’ll try to keep up.

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